The Ellen G. White Estate has not released a Mac application for searching Ellen White’s published writings for many years. In fact, they have never released one that runs natively under OS X. And because newer Macs no longer ship with OS 9 emulation, this means new Mac users (and probably most users in general these days) are left out in the cold.
Of course, using Apple’s Boot Camp, it is possible to install Windows on a Mac, and run the EGW software that way. But this involves tedious rebooting each time you want to switch to Windows. Or it is possible to run the EGW software under a virtual environment such as VMware Fusion or Parallels. And that is what I had been doing; it works, but it’s slow (open VMware, wait for Windows to awake, start the EGW software, which then runs a bit slow in the virtual environment).
Recently, a friend, Nathan Tyler, tipped me off to the fact that the EGW software works great under Wine, a software environment for running Windows apps under UNIX-based operating systems (such as Linux or OS X). There is a special build of Wine for OS X, called Darwine. He claimed that the search software ran faster under Wine than it does on his Windows machine. (Edit: I guess he just claimed it was fast!) And guess what? I found that to be true for me as well.
It is not trivial to set up the EGW software to work this way, at least not yet. First I downloaded Darwine, and configured it. (The main thing to configure was mapping the folder where I would put my Windows apps to a drive letter.) Then I copied all the EGW software files from my Dell over to my Mac. Then came a tedious process of finding all the related Windows registry entries on my Dell, exporting them to files, copying those files to the Mac, editing them so the paths to the files are correct, and importing them into the Windows registry running in Darwine. (This is necessary because those registry entries contain the license information needed to run the software. The installer writes the license information to the registry, but I have not learned a way to run the installer from the CD-ROM under Darwine. Thus I had to do it myself.) Then I had to copy a file, “egwhite.lcf,” from the main EGW software folder to the subfolder “Books,” because for some reason I got an error saying the file had to be there instead. After that I could run the EGW software, but it was a bit tedious to launch. So then I created a shell script to open the EGW software using Wine, and then used the freeware application Platypus to create an OS X application that can be opened from Finder. And for a finishing touch, I copied the EGW icon to that OS X application.
Now I have a cool little OS X application that I can open with a simple click, and the EGW software is blazing fast. Faster at opening than on my Dell, and much faster than going through VMware Fusion.
Nathan, I’ve never made a shortcut in Windows.
Okay…. but that’s the only scenario under which I’ve seen this behavior happen. Did you install direct from the CD in each case?
Thanks for trying to help.
I got it working now on the Window/Fusion. But, that’s not really what I’m after.
I won’t have the time tomorrow to comment since the sun is set at 3:49PM here.
So, happy, peace and a joyful Sabbath to you all.
Daniel
I downloaded and installed the beta 2 from the link that Larry sent me, but I can’t copy/paste. I’ve tried control c/v, edit copy/paste with out success. I haven’t tried to print yet.
I drug the beta 1 egw icon from the applications folder to the trash before installing beta 2. Was this the proper way to uninstall beta 1. This may sound elementary but I just switched from pc to mac.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
In the 1T under the book section when you select that book and select that item to drop down the different chapters the first 14 are in roman numerals which doesn’t match the rest…. but I can see the difference between the topics from the first section and the following. However, I noticed that the first one says 1 and should be I to match it’s respective chapters.
You’re right, Tara. Send that comment to the White Estate to look into it. They do take notice of corrections that are sent in, and each new CD gets better than the last as they fix those little typos.
Is the CRE 2008 Mac beta still available? The links posted in the blog no longer work.
Thanks,
Ralph
The new link is http://whiteestate.org/cre/egw-cre08_b2.dmg
Can someone post a link to beta 2? I haven’t been sent the link yet.
Thanks,
Randy
Installed the second beta. Installed perfectly. Works perfectly for me. Copies, pastes. I have not tried to print.
I am very happy with this version. I tried it on both the 15 and 17 inch, non-unibody macbook pro’s.
Are the copy and paste commands supposed to be Mac or windows? If they are supposed to be Mac mine are not working. Printing works great under windows commands. Though this is the first time I have actually ever printed directly from any of EGW either in windows or Mac.
The copy command is Windows, use ctrl+c (copy). To paste use the standard Mac cmd+p if you are wanting to paste into Pages, email, Word etc. If copy is still not working your x11 preferences need tweaking. My copy/paste works perfectly on beta 2 all the time.
I never made a public post of beta 2 on this blog, although some of you have had access to it. But we have been working very hard to try and get it to work under Tiger. Everything but copy seems to be working now with some help from Daniel.
More news soon… stay posted.
Umm…. That’s everything but paste.
Darryl,
Actually, I sent you an email very, very early this morning (it was so early it was almost last night) with the final details to the Tiger solution. I sent a link to the posted “Tiger Fix” files. This should allow full functionality on Tiger.
Daniel
I found that when wanting to select text using shift in a main reading panel it doesn’t allow me to do so. When wanting to select in a search window by hitting F2 it just makes a + sign. ‘Twould be nice to use the shift command to select text.
Actually you can select text using the keyboard commands. Use Control+Shift instead of just shift, this will allow you to select text with your cursor arrow keys on the keyboard while hold down these two keys.
The F2 (Advanced Query) search also works just fine. On my Mac keyboard to access the function keys I have to hold down the Fn (Function) key + the F2 key to access the alternate F key functions. Mac normally has their own system functions assigned to these keys.
Darryl,
You can change F-key function in System Preferences in the Keyboard Preferences. You can check (tick) the box for: “Use all F1, F2, etc, keys as standard function keys”. Then you’ll have to use the fn key to use the other features. So, the key functions are reversed.
On older Apple desktop keyboards they may have different F-key mappings to control the hardware features because there is more space and keys available, however the new Apple keyboards that ship with desktop Macs are the same as their Laptops.
Daniel
I know this might be a bit taboo, but if you are tight on space on your hard drive, I discovered you can save some space by replacing the ‘Books’ folder in ~/Library/Application Support/Wine/Prefixes/EGW CRE 2008/drive_c/Estate/Research 2008/Folio/ with a symbolic link (symlink), an alias wouldn’t work. The symbolic link should point to the ‘books’ folder inside the EGW CRE 2008 application.
I did it on both a Tiger installation and a Leopard installation. I can’t see any difference at all in the way it works. Warning, if you move the application, you’ll have to make a new symlink, Folio cant find it’s books.
I used a freeware called Symbolic Linker to make the symlinks.
Daniel
I had earlier suggested a similar solution to the EGW Estate developers. In theory it should be possible to replace the whole “Estate” folder hierarchy within ~/Library/Application Support/Wine/Prefixes/EGW CRE 2008/drive_c/ with a symbolic link to the respective files in the EGW CRE 2008 application bundle. I haven’t tried it. But it would both speed up the first-run installation and save drive space.
Michael,
Actually, that was the first thing I tried. I think it writes to that fake drive_c.
White Estate has nothing to do with how this part is designed. WineBottler is the tool they used to put this together. It is a ‘wrapper’ application that can be used to ‘port’ Windows applications to the Mac. Winebottler is designed to work that way.
Read the developer’s blog here:
http://mike.kronenberg.org/?p=350
I’ve used it several times to make ‘ported’ Mac programs for myself. It doesn’t work with everything Windows, but many things it does.
Recently, I tried it with Amazon’s KindleDesktopPC. That did not work.
Daniel
This is a general question and wondered if anyone tried this… I don’t know that I could have enough Mac brains to figure it out. Larry helped me do it when I was using a PC….
Let’s say a new edition beta 3 comes out or even after the product gets launched and then there will be newer versions and updates of that… has anyone tried to highight, book mark etc., save the changes then try to get those saved change files into a newer installed version of either beta?
Does this make sense…? If not I can try to rewrite it so that it can.
Yes, that makes sense. The only problem with that would be if they have made changes to the actual data in the infobases. That’s generally why you would want to upgrade to a new release anyway.
But if it’s just going from one beta to another, then here’s what you do. In the Books folder, find all files with an extension of “.sdw” – those are your shadow files, where highlights and bookmarks are saved. Copy those files to a safe location where you will retrieve them later.
Once the new install is done and you’ve started and closed the program once, then you may copy the original shadow files to the Books folder, overwriting the new ones with the old ones. You should then still have your highlights and so forth.
As far as I know, this only works well when the White Estate has not made changes the main infobase. Larry would have to help if it gets anymore complicated than what I mentioned, as this is the only way I know to do it.
One thing that I really appreicated about how CRE ran on PC was that I could open up several windows of the same program. So I would have one maybe up to two to three windows that I would have various searches done in the SOP, then I would have usually one window open that would be for Bible, Pioneer, and Webster searches. But now I can have only one search window open. Is it possible to have it made so that there could be more than one window of the same application open at a given time?
Tara,
You can open multiple windows in this version too. You use the windows menu item to access the window you want. You can also choose Vertically or Horizontally tile or Cascade the windows from there too.
Daniel
On Linux I have no problem opening multiple instances of the program, same as Windows. I guess the Dock in MacOS doesn’t really let you do that. Hmmmm….. Daniel’s suggestion may be the only way to go.
The benefit to what Tara is talking about is that each instance is treated separately, so you can switch between them like switching between any other programs. I’ll often be in the middle of reading through the results of a search, and want to look up something else that comes to mind. I’ll simply leave my current window as it is, click on the EGW icon in my programs panel which will launch a new instance of the program, then perform the new search there.
If you duplicate the EGW app in your Applications folder, you can do what you are suggesting … although at a sacrifice of hard drive space (about 1 GB). There is probably also a way you can launch multiple sessions without duplicating the app, but I haven’t worked it out yet. I know that launching the app from the command line will create multiple instances, because I did that when I was creating my own EGW launcher. But I’m not sure the best way to do that with the White Estate’s setup.
Do you think it will be possible to achieve this?
What do you mean by “launching the app from the command line”?
well… what I meant was will it be possible to get the software written in such a way that multiple windows can be opened with out having to sacrifice the hd space? Twould be a great blessing!
After opening more windows per Daniel’s suggestion when I closed the application and then reopened it (even saved it because I had some previous highlights made) didn’t save the various windows that were open i the main window if that can makes sense.
Also after hitting the green + then making the window smaller again it seemed to make some glich. For when I would hit file, window, view etc… it would go to full screen view, then when I would click on one of the titles again it would go back to the smaller orginial size in which I use it most frequently. I then closed it out and started it again and it did the same thing but this time it just stopped after a few times…. with out having done anything different per say. hmmm… just did the whole process again a third time and it seems to be working…? =S
Now… when I close the program and then open it it opens as a full screen application and not a smaller sized window! This is not good. I don’t like applications that fill the screen and now I have to re-size it each time I open and close. It has NEVER done this for me before on beta 1, 2, and even on PC. It always opens to the size it was upon closing. HELP!!! =S
Having it opened to the windows last saved is great, but if that option is available, there needs to be a way you can go back to the original defaults it came with when downloaded.
I just created an app that lets OS X users run multiple instances of the EGW CRE 2008 beta. You can download it from:
http://www.mediafire.com/?jot4nzj3nmn
It downloads as a zip. Just extract the zip, and place the app inside your applications folder. It is called “EGW CRE 2008 New Instance”. Each time you run it you will get a new EGW app running. (It requires that you already have the beta installed, and that it is installed in your Applications folder and that you haven’t changed the name of that app, etc.)
Note: If you quit with Cmd-Q, you will close ALL instances at once. To quit one of them, use the EGW app’s quit command, or the X11 window close button.
Note 2: I do not use advanced features like highlighting, notes, etc. So I’m not sure what possible gotchas might exist if you save settings from multiple instances. Those who use these features may wish to try them and report back. (My concern is that one instance might overwrite the changes of another, if you change settings in both.) YMMV.
How do I know if I make changes to the actual data in the info base? Really all I do is create bookmarks, make notes, and highlight text. Does that change the data?
No. That does change the data.
Daniel, I think you mean it “doesn’t” change the data–what it changes is the shadow file. Tara, if you got Larry’s email he explained a little more about this.
Nathan, you are right.
Sorry, I can’t spell, or proofread very well.
Tara Marie,
When you talk about the green plus button, That’s the X Window System window manager: Xquartz. It is not part of the beta software. When you close the window using the red close X button, clicking the green zoom + button to change the size or the yellow minimize – button to put the window in the Dock, Folio does not know it. That is Mac system software.
If you want to save a window position and size you must close using the red X button first, just like when you want to save a Finder window size and position.
At least that’s the way it works on mine.
Daniel
“Michael said:
I just created an app that lets OS X users run multiple instances of the EGW CRE 2008 beta. You can download it from….”
Michael,
I downloaded and tried it. It did not work for me. It came up very briefly in the Dock, like it tried to run but couldn’t, but nothing else happened.
Daniel
All it does is run the EGW beta app, which it expects to find at “/Applications/EGW CRE 2008.app”. You may want to check Console and see if it reported anything. It works on my system.
Michael,
No errors. Console said the egw-cre-2008-instance completed it’s task.
Daniel
For those interested, there is a version 1.5 of the app “EGW CRE 2008 New Instance”. This one is a little smarter. You can download from here:
Download EGW CRE 2008 New Instance 1.5
(What it does, for those who don’t know, is allow you to launch multiple instances of the EGW CRE 2008 app simultaneously. This was requested in the comment thread above. Doing this is possibly handy for heavy users of the app, but not officially supported.)
It requires Leopard (10.5) or Snow Leopard (10.6).
Neither of the above links work. The link to MediaFire states the file is not available and the link to MichaelPrewitt.com returns page cannot be found.
Would it be possible to repost? This would be really helpful.
Thanks in advance.
You should be able to download the file now, using the new link provided.
Wow, 2 broken links! I’m ashamed. I’m not sure why the Mediafire link stopped working, so I removed it. The other one was missing the “http://” … I should have tested it after I posted it.
Thank you. I just downloaded the file and it works fine.
Sooooooooooooo!!! The big question of the day 27 January, 2009.
Will EGW CRE 2008 work on the iPad?
TM, I’m pretty sure the answer to that is no. The iPad is basically the same technology as the iPhone/iPod touch, and from what I can tell is not designed to run standard OS X apps (they have to be modified—basically turned into iPhone style apps). However, that does mean you can use the existing EGW apps for iPhone on it. With any luck, Laridian will enhance their current iPhone app so you can use it fullscreen on the iPad.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app.....15946?mt=8
I’m not saying EGW CRE 2008 would run on it, only that it may give the iPhoneOS the potential to run WINE applications – EGW CRE 2008 being one.
Why someone would want to… because it is there.
I have no iPhoneOS product, so I can’t try.
Daniel
Daniel, that could work, but it sounds the same as using other VNC-like iPhone apps to display remote applications on your iPhone/iPod touch/iPad. It’s a clever way to do it, I suppose, but it would require network access, as it doesn’t actually run it on the device.
Oh. Okay.
But why, if it just displays remote applications, why does it mention “display managers” noting TWM, which is sometimes called Toms Window Manager. And why does it have X11 in it’s name. Having X11 in it’s name seems to be deceiving if it’s just a VNC client.
It also says “A full X server display”
Running EGW CRE 2008 in Tiger just about requires a different window manager because Quartz-wm does not have window gravity set right. Therefore you can use a different window manager, one of which is TWM to display the EGW CRE 2008 window (which, BTW, is built-in to the X11 installation).
But, I first hand knowledge about the iPhoneOS.
Daniel
Oops. Meant to say ‘I have no first hand knowledge about the iPhoneOS’.
Sometimes lysdexia, err, I mean dyslexia is a blessing, but usually not.
Daniel
EGW CRE 2008 will not work on the iPad unless you used a remote desktop solution which would be pretty rough, but we can be hopeful about iPhone application technology carrying over to the iPad enabling us to do the same or similar things as the EGW CRE 2008. Laridian, the makers of PocketBible, has already announced their plans to not only support, but make a more thorough and full featured PocketBible application for the iPad. This means one more way to read and study EGW’s writing on the latest technological devices.
Also, I’m working with an adventist developer who is actively developing The Conflict iPhone app to support all of EGW’s writings. We’re working with the White Estate to accomplish this. Although we haven’t announced any plans to support the iPad, I can only imagine it will come in time. In the meantime, we can be guaranteed at least one option through Laridian’s PocketBible application that they’ve promised for the iPad.
http://blog.laridian.com/?p=200
In regard to multiple instances, I tested saving in different instances, then quitting and re-opening the application. All saved changes show in all instances when re-opened. As far as I could tell, changes in one will not change in another while un-saved.
Example: make a new note and save it, then open a new instance, the new note will not be there. Close the new instance. Save from the File menu of the remaining open instance. Now open another new instance and the new note is there now.
So, if you make use of multiple instances, saved changes affect all subsequent opening of the document and don’t appear to have adverse effects. As Michael said, YMMV.
Daniel
Nathan,
Could you point me to more explicit instructions to get this to work in wine? We haven’t been able to get the 2007 version to accept either of the CD-Keys that came with the disk. I don’t have easy access to a windows box, but I suppose if it is the only way, I can work on that. Thanks for your assistance and research on this.
Rob
Rob, it’s all here. If you read the whole of the comments (I know, it’s a lot), you’ll find what you are looking for.
Failing, that, you can ask specific questions. But if you are trying to run a CD installer under WINE and enter the CD keys, you will not be successful. We’ve all tried that already. This is where having a Windows installation handy is essential.
If the White Estate will let you in on the beta program, then you could possibly try out a beta version you can run on your Mac. Otherwise it’s wait for the Mac release or do the hack to make the Windows one run.
Hi Nathan,
I guess I wasn’t totally clear. There seems to be a lot of information for making this work under OS X, but I’m using Ubuntu Linux. The directories where stuff is put is certainly different, and it appears you did it under Linux already, so I thought you could put some more steps in here to help us who are trying to adapt these instructions back to Linux.
Thanks,
Rob
Hi Rob, Take a look at my comment post on August 14, 2009. You’ll need access to a Windows installation to make it work. –Nathan
Hi Nathan,
Sorry to bother you again. I must be terribly dense. I can’t find anything dated August 14 on this page.
I get the idea that I need to install on windows, somehow export the registry files (which I have no idea how to do at the moment. because I’ve never used windows much) copy those over to the .wine/drive_c somewhere. I also need to copy the program files which are on the CD (and I’m not sure exactly what files are necessary there either) to .wine/drive_c and I also have to copy a file, “egwhite.lcf,” from the main EGW software folder to the subfolder “Books.”
I can probably use Google to find some of the answers I need, but it would be really nice if they could all be put in here so everyone else doesn’t have to chase down all the details everywhere.
Thanks so much for the assistance!
Rob
Rob, you need to click the link that says “Older Comments” at the top or bottom of the comments section. Nathan’s comment is there.
Thanks Michael,
That was the trick!
Rob
I have been running the EGW software for years on my Ubuntu linux machine, with WINE. Installation was a snap — I simply ran the setup.exe file with wine and had a perfect working install in a few minutes. I used an old install CD: “The Complete Published Ellen G White Writings” Version 3.0, Copyright 1998; it was the two-disc, Legacy of Light release.
–Randy
Yes, It is a snap with the older versions. I installed it under WINE on a Mac with the old v 3.0, too.
Like Nathan said, it won’t work with copy-protected or the newest versions with the CD serial keys.
Daniel
I’ve tried out build 2 of the EGW software on a brand new Mac Book, running Snow Leopard. Works wonderful. Scrolling works perfect, copy paste does likewise. I’ve got to ctrl-c to copy rather then command-c. Not a problem. I’m very impressed.
Randy
Just tried printing from the EGW application – works perfectly on the MacBook running Snow Leopard!
Randy
Great help, thanks to all you mac geniuses!!!! I can’t paste, don’t even know if i’m copying. Someone mentioned about “tweaking” something in the preferences. I have the latest beta update and i am using 10.6.2. I’m a real novice, heeeeelp
Thanks for you’lls efforts!!!!!
Gabriel, in the EGW app, you need to CONTROL-C to copy (or you can use the menu command in the app) … as if you were on a Windows machine. On the Mac side, you need to COMMAND-V to paste (the regular Mac paste command). Note that you are using Control key to copy, Command key to paste.
Ha, it worked
!!!!!!!!! Thanks, brother. It’s amazing how smoothly things work when we use the right formula. What a spiritual lesson. Thanks soooooo much for your help!!!!!!!!!!! Michael, Happy Sabbath 
I was able to copy and paste using egw-cre08_b2.dmg but noticed recently it isn’t working. The last thing I remember before it not working was doing an update on Snow leopard. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a newer release that I can try. I don’t want to unless absolutely necessary fire up EGW on my windows machine. But it’s great being at least able to use it.
Jason, I am using beta 2 on Snow Leopard 10.6.3, and the copy and paste works fine. It is theoretically possible the upgrade process damaged your EGW installation, although I’m not sure how. If you could uninstall the EGW app (including all the files it installs when first run) and reinstall it, that might help.
On the first run, EGW CRE 2008 installs the following files:
~/Library/Application Support/Wine/Prefixes/
~/Library/Preferences/org.kronenberg.bottler_EGW CRE 2008.plist
~/Library/Preferences/org.kronenberg.Wine.plist
On my installation it also installed the two below, though another person I talked to said he did not have these:
~/Library/Caches/org.kronenberg.Wine
~/Library/Caches/org.kronenberg.bottler_EGW CRE 2008
Daniel
Hi Michael, thanks for your quick reply. Just found out the problem, I deleted ~/Library/Preferences/org.x.X11.plist and restarted EGW CD and now copy and paste works fine. This file must have somehow corrupted.
Thanks. Was thinking of a re-install but couldn’t get the link to download it to work again. Anyway this fixed the problem.
It’s great to be able to do all this on the Mac, would not enjoy having to boot up my windows machine to use EGW.
I’ve noticed recently running EGW on my snow leopard installation that a recent update has possible broken my copy and paste ability. Has anyone else noticed this?
Anyway just discovered the problem. I removed /Users/username/Library/Preferences/org.x.X11.plist
where username is your username, ie mine is jason then restarted EGW
I’ve installed egw-cre08_b2.dmg on half a dozen computers, most of which had Snow Leopard, and I have not been able to copy and paste to work on any of them. Copy and paste work within the EGW Folio application, but not between it and OS X, ie. Microsoft Word. I’ve verified that OS X’s pasteboard is set to syncronized with X-Windows, and I am using the correct key combinations (even using the right-click, and choosing copy in EGW doesn’t work). Is there a step I’ve been missing?
I’ll try deleting the org.x.X11.plist, but I’ve not gotten the copy/paste to work on a single computer. Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ralph
I’m relatively new to mac but my imac is running snow leopard. Copy and paste just worked for me initially, I just downloaded the egw-cre08_b2.img and copied it into Apps and ran it and copy and paste worked. But I did notice that there are some preferences from within X11 that can be changed. So if you go and click on X11 and then notice up the top left hand corner of your screen, click X11->Preferences->Pasteboard, I have all selected except for Update Pasteboard immediately when new text is selected.
My copy and paste doesn’t seem to work using the keyboard shortcut, or not reliably anyway. But it works quite well by right clicking the mouse and then selecting copy or by going to the Edit Menu and selecting copy there as well.
Hope this helps.
Wow Jason and Michael!
This is great. I have never been able to copy and paste with Apple commands when running EGW 2008 via wine. I did recently do the update and found mine was not working. =S So I followed the directions you have here i this last post and it works. I am not limited to mouse or keyboard options either works just well.
Not only does it work but… I can now use Apple copy commands in EGW 2008 via wine and it WORKS! Ahhh this is good.
Loads of thanks!
~tm
Happy to be able to help. Praise God for EGW!
I just checked, I can copy between Folio Views and iWork. using the methods that I mentioned above.
About three weeks ago I installed the beta 2 on my MPRro and a new iMac at home. Both worked wonderfully. However, the MBPro has stopped working for some reason. Both are running the newest Snow Leopard updates, etc. I have reinstalled the b2, but it won’t run.
Actually, it boots fine, starts X11, etc. It will show the Folio flash screen momentarily, then nothing more. Dock icons appear to be running, and Menu Bar will show both EGW and X11.
Any ideas?
-fh
Sounds strange. You could try deleting the X11 preferences file. You may also like to open the Console app (from Utilities folder) and see if it says anything when you try to run the EGW beta.
Ok, so I’m coming in on the last end of this very long thread. Is this about installing the EGW CRE program on a Mac OSx?
Benjamin, yes, that is what the conversation has turned to, towards the end.
Thanks so much for your response my friend.
Does this mean that I can just pop the EGW CRE 2008 in my iMAC, run the ‘New instance’ app and I can install it? (Fingers crossed).
Hi Benjamin,
Not having used the New Instance app before. But all you need to do on the iMac to install EGW is to copy into your apps. Usual Mac install. The New instance app will allow you to run multiple instances of EGW at the same time.
New instance if FANTAB!!! thanks Michael!
Don’t know what I would do with out it. I love the option to be able to run multiple copies. Four thumbs up!
Hey Jason,
Do you know what particular app I need to copy this into? Thanks.
Hi Tara would you know?
As far as I know you don’t have to copy it into any specific app. As long as you have EGW 2008 installed download it to your app file then run it from there and wha-lah, should work. At least I believe that is what I did.
Hope it works.
Blessings,
~tm
Hi Benjamin,
Michael made this app just go the the following url and click download
http://michaelprewitt.com/2010.....-1-5-1805/
then drag it into your applications folder or the desktop and run it, I just tried it then. I already had EGW running, I clicked on it and another instance popped up.
Thanks for this application Michael, it’s great.
Hope this helps Benjamin
Hey Jason,
The link you gave led me back to the page where the ‘New Instance’ app is. I already installed the “New Instance” app. I just need to have the program running (EGW CRE 2008) running. Probably I’m not understanding.
I copied all of the files from from the EGW CRE 2008 CD into a folder and I placed the ‘New Instance’ app in the folder as well. I thought by doing this clicking on the ‘New Instance’ app would have launched the program.
But on the other hand the link you gave me spoke about a ‘Beta Version’!?!? Where can I find this? Or what is the link for the Beta Version?
Thanks.
P.S. As you can see I’m not tech savvy for this
Benjamin,
To get the Windows EGW CRE 2008 CD to work directly on your Mac can be done, but it’s very techy. You would have to read this whole thread carefully to figure it out.
There is a simpler way, but you first have to install the Mac beta. That is the “beta” others are talking about. You can’t buy it; it is only available from the EGW Estate website. You would need to contact them to get the download link. It’s a very large download; basically you are downloading the whole CD in a Mac-compatible format. Last I heard, they are winding down the public beta testing, but if you ask, they may give you the link.
The New Instance app only works with the Mac beta program, after the beta is installed.
Michael thanks so much. That settles it. I will give the estate a call tomorrow. Thanks so much!!!!
I am assuming but I would expect that to use it you should really have a legitimate copy of EGW (I have windows version) but since I can use the Mac version I haven’t used my windows version. If you have an original copy, if you are in Australia I could send you a copy on CD.
Sorry I mean if you have a legitimate Windows version of EGW on CD, then I could send you a copy of the Mac version beta2, that I downloaded. I can’t download it anymore from the links given.
Hi Nathan,
I’m back trying to install this on my wife’s Ubuntu laptop. I am having difficulty with the registry import.
1) When I search the registry I get about 50 entries for C:\Estate. Should I be looking only in Keys, or Values or Data, or all three? I am using an XP install of windows.
2) When I import with regedit in wine, I get the following errors:
Trying to import from a unicode file: this isn’t supported yet.
Please use export as Win 9X/NG4 files from native regedit
3) When I start Viewer.exe, and try and open the files, I get little error boxes popping up with numbers in them.
What version of windows are you emulating in winecfg?
Any tips?
Thanks for the help,
Rob
Hi Rob,
Sorry I’m not running E.G.White on my Ubuntu, although I probably should have tried it a while ago.
Now in answer to 2) When you select what you want to export you can then click on the Save as type and change it from Registration files to Win9X/NT4 Registration files. I think that is what you might need to do. Wine might not handle unicode very well. Unicode came in newer versions of windows so that you could use multiple character sets, ie Chinese and Japanese, etc.
As far as wine goes, it can sometimes be tricky to configure, make sure you use the latest version. Ubuntu you can type
%> sudo apt-get update
%> sudo apt-get install wine winecfg etc
This will insure that you have the latest version of wine in the Ubuntu repositories, or you could always download the latest version from the internet and install that.
Hope this helps a little
Jason
Thanks Everyone,
I finally got it going on Ubuntu (9.10 and 10.04 both). I had to import about 90 registry files, and my fingers are about falling off. Too bad I couldn’t figure out how to make Windows and wine export and import a batch of files all at once.
Again, thanks!
Rob
Actually, there is a way to make Windows export all changes into one file, which I presume Wine could then import. There are “portableizing” programs for Windows that you can use for this. They work by running while you install an application. They keep track of all registry and file changes during the install, and allow you to export the registry changes so that you can use another program to install all of the registry changes prior to executing the given program.
I found the set of programs for doing this on portableapps.com, I believe. I don’t have time right now, but I’ll look for them and post more specifics later.
Hi Rob,
You only need about a dozen entries at most. The trick is that when you search in the Registry Editor and find something, you can usually back up to the “folder” containing your search hit and export the whole section.
For example, I just did a search on my system and found the first hit is in \HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folio.Link\DefaultIcon
I would right-click on the folder “Folio.Link” and choose Export. That will also take care of other hits in that same folder, like the one buried further down in shell\open\command
If you do it this way you get around a dozen registry files at the most.
Regards,
Nathan
I would very much like to have a Mac version of EGW Writings. I run it under Fusion so far, but it chews up a lot of hard disk space and is slow. I hope to have it as an iPhone app too, but have not seen that yet. Copying nearly a hundred registry files etc is way beyond me. I will keep running under fusion even though it is painfully slow going until someone makes this easier.
I’m glad to have this working on my computer, it’s a real blessing to have EGW Writings natively on the Mac.
I’m running into some trouble however, as I’m installing it on a older Macbook running tiger 10.4.11. It installs correctly but when I open it up the text on the left side of the window where it shows the contents is only empty squares! If I try to search for something, all the results are empty squares! I thought it might have to do with something in the OS installation, so I did a clean install of 10.4.11, but nothing changed. The main menu of links views correctly, but I’m guessing that’s because they are graphics? Another strange phenomena that I have on this installation is that if I click on the menu, then alternately in the contents area the whole window moves down by the width of the gray bar at the top of the X11 window! I don’t know if these two things would be connected in anyway…
Do anyone have any ideas on what’s going on here? I’m thinking it might be something with fonts? Do you have any pointers that would help me get this software setup working?
Thanks so much,
God Bless,
Daniel
Daniel, it very much sounds like a font problem. In the EGW Writings version I have, there is a setting under Tools menu > Options… > General tab > Infobase view font. On my computer it says Arial size 9. What does yours say?
I’m not sure what is happening with the window moving down. Perhaps if you could post a screencast of it, it would help.
Yes, on this one it says the same– Arial size 9. I just tried replacing it with Courier size 9 and then the contents on the left read out ok, and the reference bar as well, but the search bar up at the top and the regular text is still squares. This is only temporary as when I quit EGW app, then X11 and start it again then I’m back to Arial size 9.
The problem with the window moving down is most apparent when i try to open one of the menus at the top of the window. I click on Tools, and then all at once the mouse is no longer over Tools, it’s just above it because the window moved down, and the only way to keep the menu open is to hold the mouse button. As I move the mouse down through the menu toward Options, the window jumps several more times before I get to Options. Another thing that will trigger it, is if I tab between Finder and X11. Every time X11 is selected that the window moves down. I’ve uploaded a couple of screen shots as best as I can capture them. At least it shows the downward movement of the window when I select X11. http://www.godsmissionmedia.org/EGW/
Thanks so much,
Daniel
I believe the font problem can be fixed if you quit using the Quit command within the EGW app, as opposed to using the OS X quit button or Cmd-Q or X11 menu quit item to quit. If you shut down an X11 app using the OS X methods, it basically does a crash-and-burn style quit which does not give the application a chance to save its data. Try quitting through the EGW menu (or Control-Q), and see if the font settings stick.
The other problem I don’t understand. Perhaps someone else can shed light on that.
Hi Daniel,
I realize it been quite a while since you posted this, but I’ve been away and without much access to the internet. Hope this is still helpful to someone.
In Mac OS 10.4, the X11 window manager, quartz-wm, is unstable under Wine and that is why the window moves down at each click and it is a known problem using EGW CRE with Tiger. BTW It’s called window gravity and it isn’t set correctly in the X11 build.
To get around this problem you have to use a different window manager. Amongst the window managers I tested, macosforge.com’s window manager for Tiger works as it should except I could not paste.
It’s available here-> http://static.macosforge.org/x.....-Tiger.bz2
There are two ways to make it work. One way is to replace the original with it. In order to do that you have to re-name it to “quartz-wm” then replace the original in /usr/X11R6/bin/ (BTW usr is a hidden folder, so from the menu bar click Go -> Go to Folder… type:usr/X11R6/bin/)
You then *must* repair permissions using Disk Utility.
The second way is to put the new window manager wherever you like and use an .xinitrc file in your home folder’s root level. The .xinitrc file will tell the X11 server to use a different window manager.
There are other ways too, such as using Fink or Macports to build XQuartz.
Daniel
Hi folks, this just received from Darryl Thompson @ the White Estate:
“The Mac EGW-CRE CD was sent to the R&H for distribution to ABCs and campmeetings May 20. They should be able to be ordered now.”
God bless,
Nathan
I need to make a correction to my last post above: Replacing the Window Manager as I stated above does not work anymore, either with the last beta release nor with the new commercial CD release. My apologies for the mistake.
If anyone is interested in a temporary patch for Tiger’s “jumping window”, please post and I’ll post a link.
Regarding the font issue:
Tiger does not resolve the symbolic link used in the EGW CRE.app bundle for the font Arial. To correct this append .ttf to the font Arial in Macintosh HD => Library => Fonts; where Macintosh HD is the name of your startup disk. In other words change the name “Arial” to “Arial.ttf”.
Leopard and Snow both have this font extension showing, while Tiger does not.
Blessings,
Daniel, in Maine
Thanks so much Michael and Daniel for your help and ideas. We resolved the problem simply by upgrading him to Leopard. But you never know, I might need to install it on some other Tiger system! So the info is useful. Thanks so much.
Sincerely,
Daniel
OK… I know the new EGW 2008 is available but I don’t know when I can get a new copy. It will be quite sometime as far as I know that I will be returning to the states…. =S
I installed Undercover and created an open account. I set some parental controls for this account. I had EGW and some others to open at log in. After these settings were made I went to the account and was going to let my friend use it and LOADS of windows were popping up do I want to allow a bunch of randomly named files (that I didn’t know were associated with the running of EGW and New Instance.) I cannot remember how many there were or their names but the file names were random names with letters and numbers. Some of them I allowed, and some of them I allowed only once… ( I had no idea what to do.)
So now when I try to run EGW 2008 in either the guest account or the admin account it starts up and is running in the dock like normal but no preview windows come up. Even the little status bar after you click on EGW or even EGW via New Instance that shows it is booting up and getting ready to start pops up but nothing. I have tired to hide and show but still nothing. When I click command tab you can even see it as a program in the list of programs to toggle between.
I have tried to go to parental settings to allow what I didn’t allow or only allowed once but cannot find those items. I have uninstalled and reinstalled and nothing. I am wondering…. If I were to install the latest CD version would it even work because the files are still named the same but I have not allowed them etc…. but what I don’t know is why it isn’t allowing them on the admin account. =S
Help would be much appreciated from anyone as soon as possible. I will be in Wales on Thursday and don’t know how good my internet will be for some time. Right now I am in London… stuck in London with out my SOP! I miss it soooo much and it has been a little over 24 hours. I don’t have my copy of EGW 2008 for PC either I could have run it via Fusion. =S
Thank you KINDLY for your patience and help.
Regards,
Tara Marie
Tara Marie,
Is X11 running too?
No I updated to Xquartz but it is running now. Michael helped me.
It is up and running now. whew! praise God. however we well he is trying to see if on Xquartz you can have it automatically turn off after you have closed EGW 2008. You could program x11 to do that. So if anyone has figured that out it would be a blessing.
My apologies for the long delay in responding.
Using Terminal:
“defaults write org.x.X11 wm_auto_quit” = 1;
“defaults write org.x.X11 wm_auto_quit_timeout” = 1;
Works for me.
Daniel, in Maine
Daniel, for me that command does not work with the XQuartz software. It only worked with the X11 app that ships with OS X.
Is the White Estate Mac version the same as the final beta (beta 2)?
Phil, there was a beta 3 released to certain individuals for testing, and there may have been some additional changes between that and the final release. But I’m not sure what the changes were in beta 3. Personally beta 2 was working well for me.
Phil, there is some difference between beta 2 and beta 3 – mostly the WINE release version and some minor tweaks. Also, I believe, they changed the name to “EGW CRE”.
For what it’s worth, there was a “Final Release Candidate 1″ after beta 3.
RE: XQuartz
Michael, Sorry about that. I’m running XQuartz, and have been even before I ever heard of EGW CRE. Maybe that has something to do with it.
defaults write org.x.X11 wm_auto_quit = 1;
defaults write org.x.X11 wm_auto_quit_timeout = 1;
Have you tried changing the 1 to a ‘true’ in the first entry? The second entry is a time, as in seconds. Putting in 0 does not work.
Also try the freeware Pref Setter.app (http://www.nightproductions.net/prefsetter.html) and putting the entry in using that app. I find it will work on some plist files that I can’t make Terminal work with.
Daniel, in Maine
I checked it, and the first value is set to “true” and the second to “3″, which are what I want. I’ve been using those settings for many months, but since upgrading from Apple’s X11 to the open source XQuartz, the settings no longer work. This happened to both Tara Marie and myself when we upgraded. Are you sure you are running the XQuartz version and not Apple’s? Because there is a setting to choose which one you want.
Greetings,
I am using OpenSUSE 11.2 and Wine 1.3.0
I’ve read most of the posts and it sounds like you have to install the EGW CRE 2008 on a native Windoze machine and copy registry entries. I have no Microsoft junk on my computer not counting what came with Wine.
Has any one been able to get it working with out first using a Windoze installation? So far I’ve been unsuccessful.
Thanks for any help.
Sorry Roger, I thought I approved your comment earlier. I have not attempted that, but maybe someone else here has.
Michael,
Try this: defaults write org.macosforge.xquartz.x11 wm_auto_quit true
I couldn’t set the timeout seconds. But the above seemed to work. After about 5 or 6 seconds XQuartz quit after I exited EGW CRE.
Daniel, in Maine
Awesome. that worked. I used the Pref Setter app to do it, but the command line would probably have worked just as well. I couldn’t get the custom timeout to work either, but the current delay is fine.
I had forgotten you guys use OS 10.6. That’s where I made my error. After booting into 10.6, I relized that the org.x.x11 was wrong and set about to find the right.
(While my ususal OS is 10.5 I usually reserve 10.6 and 10.4 for testing purposes, but with the recent updates to 10.6, that OS is beginning to grow on me.)
It’s a bit of a work around, but you can accomplish the same thing with an Applescript. Something like:
” on idle
if application “EGW CRE” is not running then
tell application id “org.macosforge.xquartz.x11″ to quit
return 3 — it checks every 3 seconds, change to suit
end if
end idle ”
To make it work, check the Stay Open check box in the save dialog, save it as an application, and then make it a Login Item. It will then run all the time and watch to see if XQuartz is running while EGW CRE is not every three seconds and quit XQuartz if EGW CRE is not.
A bit clunky perhaps, but something to play with.
Daniel, in Maine
Michael,
I’m having trouble with EGW CRE 2008. When I open the program I cannot see the Home Window. Wine opens up and the EGW CRE 2008 Taskbar is there. But no way to access or use the program. It was working fine before. Any suggestions of what I need to do?
Thanks,
Jim
Alamosa, CO
Are you using a beta / pre-release or is this installed from the White Estate CD?
Daniel, in Maine
Jim
You will need to re-install XQuartx in Snow Leopard every time after future OS X, and Security Updates delivered through Apple’s Software Update. Additionally, you should reinstall this package after installing XCode. So whenever you run Apple Software Updates you will need to reinstall XQuartz package! See: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/X112.5.3
I re-installed XQuartz but I’m still having problems. I don’t know if it’s because I put in the new Wine update. Before I knew about XQuartz. I’m not sure what’s going on. Any suggestions as how to resolve???
Darryl,
I believe that that only applies to Mac OS X 10.5.x (Leopard). On the other hand, Snow Leopard (Mac OS X 10.6.x), if you read the page you posted the link to, does not require reinstalling XQuartz after OS updates, possibly because X11 is not replaced by XQuartz in SL.
Jim,
In my experience you need to replace your system.reg file. The system.reg file EGW CRE 2008 uses is in your_user_name/Library/Application Support/Wine/prefixes/EGW CRE 2008/. You could just move the Wine folder to the Trash, but that would also remove any notes and highlighting you have saved.
You can likely find a good system.reg file in the application package. In other words:
1) Go to your application “EGW CRE 2008″ and control-click/right-click.
2) In the resulting menu select Show Package Contents.
3) In the new window go to Contents/Resources/.
4) There you will find the original “system.reg” file.
5) Copy the file (do not move) to your_user_name/Library/Application Support/Wine/prefixes/EGW CRE 2008/ replacing the one there.
If that does not work then you may have to reinstall the application or you could possibly get a system.reg from a working Mac installation, as the system.reg file is part of WINE and it is LGP Licensed.
Daniel, in maine
Has anyone installed the new EGW CRE for Mac OS X in a Macbook Pro? I have installed and removed the program several times and still cannot get it to load (start it). When I try to load it the action takes me to 2/3 of the task and stops. I contacted the White Estate and so far we have not been able to get the issue resolved. Any ideas?
Yes I have a similar problem. Not so much on initial set up. Have you emptied the trash bin and then restarted? Also making sure you have the latest version of XQuartz (XQuartz 2.5.3 (xorg-server 1.8.2). can maybe make a difference. After this is in stalled there are some setting you will need to make sure that are ticked/un-ticked to ensure copy and paste work properly. http://xquartz.macosforge.org/trac/wiki/X112.5.3
I use new instance (THANK YOU Michael I still appreciate it sooooooo much! right now I have four copies open! ;0) and every once in a while when I have multiple windows open and close them out when I start it again it will get about 2/3′s done opening and then it will quit but the icon is open in my doc. So I close them all down and restart and wha-lah it works again. I just always leave a copy of EGW open until I am ready to restart to save any extra little time. I use it quite frequently so it is OK to have it running. I still have the beta version of the EGW 2008. And from what I hear new instance never made it on the final cut.
I pray this will work for you.
~tm
I am using it on my MacBook Pro (4,1 model). Have you tried checking the Console app (/Applications/Utilities/Console.app) to see if it is reporting anything?
I just gotten Ubuntu 10.10 and can’t seem to run the software on my current OS.
Jonthue,
Have you been through all the comments here that relate to Linux?
If so, where are you stuck?
Regards,
Nathan
Because I’m a Ubuntu Newbie who beginning to learn how important it is to learn coding etc etc
HELP!!!!
The new iPhone app is out, people. Check it out.
My friend Steve had a conversion and purchased his first Mac. He installed “Microsoft Office:mac 2011″, and then ” EGW for Mac”. When he opens EGW all the font are little boxes, the same as the Martell font when you use the “shift” key and type in Office.
I installed “Microsoft Office:mac 2011″ on my Mac and guest what, now my font in EGW is little boxes to. I did a complete uninstall according to Microsoft directions and my font is still little boxes.
I have not been on here for about a year, but has this issue come up before?
Can anyone help?
I don’t know how or if you can insert a screenshot on this post but I’m going to try.
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I guess the screenshots did not work.
I would like to clarify. I have been running EGW on my mac since beta1 or 2 and have had almost no problem. But I have iworks instead of Office until this experiment to confirm my suspicion that is was office causing the problem.
EGW CRE Font Patch link:
http://www.whiteestate.org/cdrom/cdrom.asp#5
Microsoft in their wisdom when they released Office 2011 for Mac updated the legacy OS X fonts by installing newer versions with similar names. Go to the /Library/Fonts/Microsoft/ folder. Of course this creates conflicts with the existing similar fonts installed by OS X. If you already have the Office 2008 set of fonts on your hard drive, Office 2011 will replace them. There are also 27 more fonts in Office 2011 than in 2008. 62 Mac legacy TrueType fonts installed by Office 2011 are identical to those from Office 2008. Six typefaces which used to be legacy fonts are now .ttf fonts. Usually such changes are to fix minor flaws in the fonts, or to improve kerning and kerning pairs for a more pleasing look. The Office 2011 installation created a mixed bag of older and newer conflicting fonts.
During the initial install of Office 2011, newer .ttf font sets replace those installed by OS X, Leopard and Snow Leopard. The older fonts are deprecated to a new folder named /Library/Fonts Disabled/. They are:
Arial.ttf
Arial Italic.ttf
Arial Bold.ttf
Arial Bold Italic.ttf
Brush Script.ttf
Times New Roman.ttf
Times New Roman Italic.ttf
Times New Roman Bold.ttf
Times New Roman Bold Italic.ttf
Verdana.ttf
Verdana Italic.ttf
Verdana Bold.ttf
Verdana Bold Italic.ttf
Wingdings.ttf
Wingdings 2.ttf
Wingdings 3.ttf
Now out of this list two fonts are required by the EGW CRE CD. So to fix this Microsoft “update” the White Estate has created a simple installer to replace these two deleted TTF fonts: Arial.ttf and Times New Roman.ttf
EGW CRE Font Patch link:
http://www.whiteestate.org/cdrom/cdrom.asp#5
There on our Web site you will find the following info:
Issue 5: The Ellen G. White Writings Comprehensive Research Edition (Mac) will require a font patch to be run after you have installed Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac OS X. Microsoft in their wisdom moves Ariel and Times New Roman True Type Fonts into a disabeled Fonts folder and replaces them for newer versions using a different name variation rendering our software inoperable. So install the EGW CRE Font Patch to fix this issue as these fonts are required by the EGW CRE OS X software to operate correctly. Otherwise all you’ll see inplace of characters are square boxes when you run our EGW CRE app!
If you are installing our EGW CRE software on OS X 10.4 (Tiger), please visit an end users Mac and White web site for support. They have worked with the White Estate and have agreed to create patches for Tiger users to install our EGW CRE app. The White Estate does not support Tiger OS 10.4, but you can with Mac and White Web site assistance get it to operate just fine.
Though I have not installed Office 2011 and have no good reason to, it would seem to me it would be very easy just to move the fonts back over _from_ the “Fonts Disabled” folder _to_ the “Fonts” folder.
As Darryl indicated, you can find both the “Fonts” and “Fonts Disabled” folders in the folder “Library” which is the Library on Hard drive icon on your desktop. _Not_ the Library in your Home folder; I mention this because it too has a fonts folder located in the same relative place.
Darryl, I believe that installer has all three fonts that EGW CRE requires. Arial, Courier New and Times New Roman in TTF types.
-Daniel, somewhere in Maine
Darryl and Daniel,
I moved the fonts back to the fonts folder and it seems to work fine.
Thank you so much for your help,
Chad
Does anyone know if this thing works under Lion?
I have a friend who is trying to install CRE and it isn’t going very well.
Yes, Works great!
Daniel, Somewhere in Maine
So, what problems is the friend having?